Molly, Duke and Steve hash out Bob's status
From: Steve Buser
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005
I do not believe that Dr. Brown is on leave. I think it is the case that the Chair of his Dept simply made accommodations in his teaching schedule. As was the case when I worked at OSU, teaching classes is only part of a Profs duties. And when I was chair, I often made such adjustments when my faculty had other unusual service or research duties. In this respect, I do not regard the arrangement as significantly different from that of Board members who are active educators. All of their employers have to make some type of adjustment given the amount of time that is required to prepare for and attend Board meetings.
From: Molly Janczyk
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005
Subject: Re: DAMON: Duke Snider to the STRS board; Bob Brown
I think the ques. is: is he on leave for a yr. from his job and gets paid while serving. Is this like a Billirakis and Eugene Norris deal where they get a job on the books and then immed. take leave, are not working for the district except on paper and so get a salary while not really working.
In this case, did Dr. Brown take a leave and does he still get a salary tho not working.
Ohio has loosely based definition for teachers. And this practice is just a source of controversy with membership. If he is on leave, for ex., who is doing his job? Akin to Billirakis and Norris getting paid tho not working, (Billirakis never worked one day for Perry LSD, and they were paid for subs that he never used bec he was never there; his friend put him on the books as having a job and he immed. took leave ; THIS BOOSTS their final average salary and Chapman arranged a deal where he got money as well; not sure how that worked with Mike and Eugune re: money); so, is another professor being paid to do Brown's job while Brown being paid tho not there; AND IS Brown's final average salary being boosted tho not there.
Those are the questions. Membership is tired of sweet deals some board members arranged for themselves-including the 88% rule.
DOES the 35yr enhancement/88% rule offset the 30 yr educator in pay outs by STRS due to 35 yr. retirees not taking from system for 5 add'tl yrs?
A study of this never has been presented to us; only STRS saying so.
HOW does it compare with OPERS payouts at 30 and 35 yrs.?
Isn't 35 yr. addt'l retirement step increase enough to work for vs. another 'sweet deal' the OEA dominated board approved for themselves?
Figures can be made to show many things:
We'd like a REAL study by YOU and others to show how the 35% rule affects our funds vs. NOT having it and just having increased %'s for add'tl years i line with the other increases.
I think OPERS should be called in to compare like areas and contrast others.
And factor in: -age for retirement being increased as with OPERS so we are not drawing as early and contributing longer. (grandfathered of course) -20 YR MINIMUM RETIREMENT AGE AS WITH OTHER WORK FORCES! One of the troubles STRS has had is paying for all-down to 5 years in the past. -If you can afford to retire at 20 yrs: sliding scales for ALL medical costs: copays, deduc., RX's, etc. NOT simply premiums to REWARD CAREER TEACHERS: Rt. now, a 15 yr. educator gets all benefits I do for 30+ yrs. except they pay an add'tl premium for HC. ((THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE DISABILITY OF COURSE: SEPERATE SITUATION)). Again, this would be grandfathered 3-5 yrs. out to allow time for plannning and working longer: CHOICES WE WERE NEVER GIVEN: WE WERE JUST SLAMMED !)
THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR 3 YRS! YET, NO RESPONSE! COST SAVING AREAS! NOT APPLES AND ORANGES BUT CONSISTENT WITH PRUDENT AND CONSERVATIVE PLANNING AS OPERS VS LET'S GIVE IT ALL OUT TILL WE RUN OUT!
The working while not working but getting paid anyway deal just sets us back to the early Billirakis and Norris era. Mike did have NEA reimburse STRS for money paid to Perry for subs. Says he never paid attention and that's just how things were done.
So, the question is: How does one get on paid leave for one year? If legit, ok. But we're wondering.
From: Steve Buser
11/19/05
I think there is confusion on this point. Dr. Brown is like every other member of the Board who happens to be an active educator. He has a current employer who allows him to serve as a Board member for STRS. Active Board members do not receive any additional pay, but neither do their employers impose a reduction in pay, or require them to use leave time for STRS Board duties.
I do not see how the fact that Dr. Brown's employer happens to be a OSU, which is part of the OSU system, is a factor. Nor do I think anyone means to suggest that active members should not be represented on the Board. On the contrary, such representation is mandated by law.
Steve Buser
At 12:39 AM 11/19/2005, you wrote: Duke confirms that Dr. Brown did answer in the affirmative. Please explain this situation to us.
From: Duke Snider
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:31:36 -0500
Molly, I saw Dr. Brown nod his head up and down which indicates "yes" to me. Duke
From: "molly janczyk"
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005
Subject: DAMON: Duke Snider to the STRS board; Bob Brown
Dr. Brown: Damon: I thought that Dr. Brown nodded yes to being paid for his time off from OSU in order to be the STRS Board President.
What kind of time off can you take from OSU which is paid?
Please clarify?
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005
I do not believe that Dr. Brown is on leave. I think it is the case that the Chair of his Dept simply made accommodations in his teaching schedule. As was the case when I worked at OSU, teaching classes is only part of a Profs duties. And when I was chair, I often made such adjustments when my faculty had other unusual service or research duties. In this respect, I do not regard the arrangement as significantly different from that of Board members who are active educators. All of their employers have to make some type of adjustment given the amount of time that is required to prepare for and attend Board meetings.
From: Molly Janczyk
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005
Subject: Re: DAMON: Duke Snider to the STRS board; Bob Brown
I think the ques. is: is he on leave for a yr. from his job and gets paid while serving. Is this like a Billirakis and Eugene Norris deal where they get a job on the books and then immed. take leave, are not working for the district except on paper and so get a salary while not really working.
In this case, did Dr. Brown take a leave and does he still get a salary tho not working.
Ohio has loosely based definition for teachers. And this practice is just a source of controversy with membership. If he is on leave, for ex., who is doing his job? Akin to Billirakis and Norris getting paid tho not working, (Billirakis never worked one day for Perry LSD, and they were paid for subs that he never used bec he was never there; his friend put him on the books as having a job and he immed. took leave ; THIS BOOSTS their final average salary and Chapman arranged a deal where he got money as well; not sure how that worked with Mike and Eugune re: money); so, is another professor being paid to do Brown's job while Brown being paid tho not there; AND IS Brown's final average salary being boosted tho not there.
Those are the questions. Membership is tired of sweet deals some board members arranged for themselves-including the 88% rule.
DOES the 35yr enhancement/88% rule offset the 30 yr educator in pay outs by STRS due to 35 yr. retirees not taking from system for 5 add'tl yrs?
A study of this never has been presented to us; only STRS saying so.
HOW does it compare with OPERS payouts at 30 and 35 yrs.?
Isn't 35 yr. addt'l retirement step increase enough to work for vs. another 'sweet deal' the OEA dominated board approved for themselves?
Figures can be made to show many things:
We'd like a REAL study by YOU and others to show how the 35% rule affects our funds vs. NOT having it and just having increased %'s for add'tl years i line with the other increases.
I think OPERS should be called in to compare like areas and contrast others.
And factor in: -age for retirement being increased as with OPERS so we are not drawing as early and contributing longer. (grandfathered of course) -20 YR MINIMUM RETIREMENT AGE AS WITH OTHER WORK FORCES! One of the troubles STRS has had is paying for all-down to 5 years in the past. -If you can afford to retire at 20 yrs: sliding scales for ALL medical costs: copays, deduc., RX's, etc. NOT simply premiums to REWARD CAREER TEACHERS: Rt. now, a 15 yr. educator gets all benefits I do for 30+ yrs. except they pay an add'tl premium for HC. ((THIS WOULD NOT INCLUDE DISABILITY OF COURSE: SEPERATE SITUATION)). Again, this would be grandfathered 3-5 yrs. out to allow time for plannning and working longer: CHOICES WE WERE NEVER GIVEN: WE WERE JUST SLAMMED !)
THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN ASKED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR 3 YRS! YET, NO RESPONSE! COST SAVING AREAS! NOT APPLES AND ORANGES BUT CONSISTENT WITH PRUDENT AND CONSERVATIVE PLANNING AS OPERS VS LET'S GIVE IT ALL OUT TILL WE RUN OUT!
The working while not working but getting paid anyway deal just sets us back to the early Billirakis and Norris era. Mike did have NEA reimburse STRS for money paid to Perry for subs. Says he never paid attention and that's just how things were done.
So, the question is: How does one get on paid leave for one year? If legit, ok. But we're wondering.
From: Steve Buser
11/19/05
I think there is confusion on this point. Dr. Brown is like every other member of the Board who happens to be an active educator. He has a current employer who allows him to serve as a Board member for STRS. Active Board members do not receive any additional pay, but neither do their employers impose a reduction in pay, or require them to use leave time for STRS Board duties.
I do not see how the fact that Dr. Brown's employer happens to be a OSU, which is part of the OSU system, is a factor. Nor do I think anyone means to suggest that active members should not be represented on the Board. On the contrary, such representation is mandated by law.
Steve Buser
At 12:39 AM 11/19/2005, you wrote: Duke confirms that Dr. Brown did answer in the affirmative. Please explain this situation to us.
From: Duke Snider
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:31:36 -0500
Molly, I saw Dr. Brown nod his head up and down which indicates "yes" to me. Duke
From: "molly janczyk"
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005
Subject: DAMON: Duke Snider to the STRS board; Bob Brown
Dr. Brown: Damon: I thought that Dr. Brown nodded yes to being paid for his time off from OSU in order to be the STRS Board President.
What kind of time off can you take from OSU which is paid?
Please clarify?
posted by Kathie Bracy at 5:21 PM
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